Curse

michielboonstra · Nov 23, 2008, 11:40 PM // 23:40

I think that over the past few months guildwars has been made alot less fun.

im especially talking about PvE.

A very common subject. Shadow Form, please please make it impossible to maintian this indefenately again.. or at least make it very hard/expensive.
because I think its ruining the game, you can farm allmost everything with a perma shadow form character, and if you run sliver armor, or the mesmer/pve hexes its all the same godmode, well according to alot of people to alot of people its not godmode, because you CAN die! Well yes ofcourse you can, but thats in about 5% of all the areas you really want to farm, and even that can be avoided.
If you look at the Paragon, i mean come on... its worthless

, Yes its capable of buffing a bit and doing some damage, but nothing any other profession can do better. Fow armor and chaos gloves used to be something special, now 90%(not true ofcourse, just to make my point clear) of the guildwars community has it... normal balanced teams are "Noobish" and "Lame", all there is now are shadow form based teams with some PvE-skill nukers. Where did all the teams go that even allowed the people that "just want to do it for fun"? I think Shadow Form should be nerved(not necesarely the skill itself but the possibility to maintain it), paragons should get a decent buff(and less femenine armor, i wonder what kind of metro/homo sexual guy approved this

), and other professions could use some changes aswell but I think this are the most important things.

Edit:
Raptor farming...

what is up with the thousands and thousands of raptor farmers? Do you need money so bad you farm something that takes 1 minute over and over again...? I admit i tried it, i did it once and then i never did it again, its boring and waste of life, if you really need the money and you dont like it to take a bit longer but have fun in it-Get a real job. If you like making money so bad you do something so boring. wy play the game? Then you could make real money and well, maybe buy a game you do like to play. And PLEEEAASEE dont tell me you actually like farming raptors, and well...
if you do.. go see a doktor (not talking to the people who like to farm it once or twice a day).
anekdote;

a few days ago "we"(meaning alliance) where talking about farming,
and ofcourse the wonderfully raptorfarming came up,
and a guy said this:

"I make around 80k per hour with raptor farming"

...
i was stunned.. so i asked him: "are you sure you mean every hour? you make 80k every hour? not just 1 hour where you got some lucky drops?"
and he says: "yes i make 80k every hour"
...
i dont know but if this is true i understand wy every1 farms raptors
...
so, i asked him: "what kind of items did you get?"
answer: "well i got 2 elite tomes, 4 q9 elemental sword, about 40 other goldies, and 15 normal assassin tomes"
again, i was stunned.
ofcourse he was lying, but if he really thinks this is true.. and the other raptor farmers aswell.. Then i can understand they farm it, but that means there brainwashed? but by who?

Well, the answer to this question is simple: All the other farmers

because they dont want noobs to overfarm there leet SF farms, coming back to the previous subject: 90% of the farmers are: SF farmers or raptor farmers, there is only a select group of players that do farms that are challenging and fun, maybe not as profitable as the others, but GameWorthy.

But a well... all that is just my opinion

Sorry for:
bad english.

bad subject, sry i didn't check all pages for similar thread
insulting anyone
making SF farmers realize they are lame

thank you thank you i love you all

FoxBat · Nov 24, 2008, 12:02 AM // 00:02

I don't know that this thread is any good, but I'd /sign for killing permaform. Or at least make it just barely maintainable with echo like it used to be, so not just any yahoo idiot could pull it off. I know every MMO has resiliant farming setups, but God Mode is something you usually only get by entering cheat codes.

Tyla · Nov 24, 2008, 12:06 AM // 00:06

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Originally Posted by michielboonstra

A very common subject. Shadow Form, please please make it impossible to maintian this indefenately again.. or at least make it very hard/expensive.
because I think its ruining the game, you can farm allmost everything

AGree.

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If you look at the Paragon, i mean come on... its worthless

, Yes its capable of buffing a bit and doing some damage, but nothing any other profession can do better.

[["save yourselves!"] says what up.

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Fow armor and chaos gloves used to be something special, now 90%(not true ofcourse, just to make my point clear) of the guildwars community has it... normal balanced teams are "Noobish" and "Lame", all there is now are shadow form based teams with some PvE-skill nukers.

Money always meant nothing based on skill.

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paragons should get a decent buff

In PvE? How about no.

xDusT II · Nov 24, 2008, 12:15 AM // 00:15

Considering how many people got upset when essence of celerity got nerfed by 5%, I wonder what would happen if SF was killed.

michielboonstra · Nov 24, 2008, 12:20 AM // 00:20

[QUOTE=Tyla;4368119][["save yourselves!"] says what up. QUOTE]

True, but what else? warrior can also take that place and then u also have a tank

. (just my opinion)

[QUOTE=Tyla;4368119]"Money always meant nothing based on skill. QUOTE]

well, before all the buttonspam[ursan] and godmode[sf/(and after they got spread over the big audience invincimonks and terra's in certain areas] builds not just anyone could make 100ectos in the 2 years before those existed. Now you can have fow armor in a week. I dont know how long you have been playing the game, but in the first year or 2 someone with fow armor was rare, and people looked up to those players, Now every mayor city(toa/kamadan etc) are stamped with fow armored characters, there are more monk with fow armor then with any other type of armor

EDIT: sry i cant properly make quotes...

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Originally Posted by xDusT II

Considering how many people got upset when essence of celerity got nerfed by 5%, I wonder what would happen if SF was killed.

well that was just a short lasten shock, that no real nerf, it maybe takes of 1 or 2 minutes out of the normal farm times. the SF ele can still maintain sf easaly by using the candy corns, and before every1 has none left: hello wintersday, and even if they are gone. The assassin can still take over the job just as easy.

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Konig Des Todes · Nov 24, 2008, 12:37 AM // 00:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by michielboonstra

I think that over the past few months guildwars has been made alot less fun.

im especially talking about PvE.

I disagree. M.O.X. and the last Title update made PvE much more interesting and highly revived PuGs (especially the Title Update).

Yes, Shadow Form is an issue.
Yes, the Imbagon is an issue.
Yes, the 600/smiter is an issue.
Yes, something should be done to fix them.
No, FoW is not important and doesn't show skill or leetness, and it should be that way.
No, PvE is not boring.
No, PvE is not "easy mode and can be wiped through with any build" (sorry, but Frenzy/Mending/Healing Signet still means death)
Yes, you people need to stop QQ'ing.
Yes, I am shutting up now about my complaints to YOU.

michielboonstra · Nov 24, 2008, 01:01 AM // 01:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by Azazel The Assassin

I disagree. M.O.X. and the last Title update made PvE much more interesting and highly revived PuGs (especially the Title Update).

Yes, Shadow Form is an issue.
Yes, the Imbagon is an issue.
Yes, the 600/smiter is an issue.
Yes, something should be done to fix them.
No, FoW is not important and doesn't show skill or leetness, and it should be that way.
No, PvE is not boring.
No, PvE is not "easy mode and can be wiped through with any build" (sorry, but Frenzy/Mending/Healing Signet still means death)
Yes, you people need to stop QQ'ing.
Yes, I am shutting up now about my complaints to YOU.

hi, uhm thanks for agreeing with me on those first 4 points

point5: i think FoW should be challenging as High End pve should be, and not possible to do with any random pug with the same "uberleetpvxteambuildwithcookies".
point6: i dont remember saying pve is boring, but if i did: I dont think pve is boring, i like pve alot, pve is underrated, but farming is overrated(ursan/SF/lame farmspots like raptors).
point7: i dont know what QQ'ing means? but probably something like crying.
::: Just trying to make the game a better place for every1.. if you disagree, thats okay.

but i think, is that you misunderstood that sentence abit or i stated it a bit wrong. because what i meant was that the points i talked about where making pve less fun, the golem stuff and so are great fun i agree.

Cookies Loves You · Nov 24, 2008, 01:39 AM // 01:39

I'm surprised so many people QQ over SF. Its a skill yes invulnerability is nice, but its PvE Nothing too major is accomplished. If you want to bring everything back to a hard grind then nerf SF. Guild wars died long ago, now just play for fun regardless of 1 classes ability to farm better than others.

If Guild Wars wants to improve game play, Buff the servers...

Kerwyn Nasilan · Nov 24, 2008, 01:53 AM // 01:53

Congrats you managed to compile a massive chunk of the QQ on guru into one hard to read post, then continue to disagree with most everyone...

Konig Des Todes · Nov 24, 2008, 02:19 AM // 02:19

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Originally Posted by michielboonstra

point6: i dont remember saying pve is boring, but if i did: I dont think pve is boring, i like pve alot, pve is underrated, but farming is overrated(ursan/SF/lame farmspots like raptors).

Look at what I quoted. Less Fun=boring.

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Originally Posted by michielboonstra

point7: i dont know what QQ'ing means? but probably something like crying.

complaining, crying, etc. etc.

Quote:

Originally Posted by michielboonstra

but i think, is that you misunderstood that sentence abit or i stated it a bit wrong. because what i meant was that the points i talked about where making pve less fun, the golem stuff and so are great fun i agree.

Stated wrong. You said the last updates have made PvE less fun. Most recent updates=Titles, Tormented in HoM, M.O.X., Elite Skills Big-Buff. The most recent updates made PvE more fun/variable. Some changes were done that were bad (SF was made perma with the Elite Skills update) but the majority of things that made PvE less fun happened way before. SF was the most recent thing and it's not as recent as the things that made PvE better.

Not to mention you never said anything made PvE more fun.

By pointing out only the bad stuff, and not the good things, it became only QQ.

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Originally Posted by Cookies Loves You

I'm surprised so many people QQ over SF. Its a skill yes invulnerability is nice, but its PvE Nothing too major is accomplished. If you want to bring everything back to a hard grind then nerf SF. Guild wars died long ago, now just play for fun regardless of 1 classes ability to farm better than others.

Hard grind the nerf SF? there shouldn't be a need to farm. All farming builds should be nerfed so that the skills cannot work together.

You complain about people QQing about Shadow Form, but at least those QQs don't contradict themselves by saying more farming options reduced grind, which is basically what you said.

Rak Orgon of Beowulf · Nov 24, 2008, 02:32 AM // 02:32

nerf QQers QQing about other QQers

as for OP, I Perma Farm, and if it does get nerfed oh well, but as for now i will continure doing it. im not ruining the economy buy getting elite armors for my chars

Antares Ascending · Nov 24, 2008, 03:16 AM // 03:16

Naa, leave sf the way it is.

One of the things we are seeing is a mature (game wise :P ) player base.
More and more players immediatly recognize a good skill and what it will work well with. There are also more places to find a decent base for a build to help a new player. Skills that were ok are now in some cases tooo strong and are nerfed/balanced. Some are just great skills, not overpowered and should be left alone.

Anyway, point being players are on average better. Think of an area that as a new player you though hard and how great it felt to beat it...then go back now...not hard at all is it. Balance must be uber hard for a developer because of the fine line between playability and either total boredom or frustration.

Point..Raptor farming can't be nerfed without nerfing some classes. I agree that it is boring! Made about 3 runs and just couldn't bring myself to do it again. Dunno what makes a run boring. I don't mind the Budeck quickie run.

Anyways notsigned

dasmitchies · Nov 24, 2008, 03:20 AM // 03:20

What is with all you QQ types?. For the sake of ur heart give it a rest. Nerf this, buff that, I don't like the way other people play the game so take it away. It's frikkin PVE. Nobody is stealin' ur lunch money. We all paid for the games let us play them too. For all those who feel leet armor belongs in the hands of geeks n' freeks who play 10 hrs a day for 3 years, grow up.

Masseur · Nov 24, 2008, 04:53 AM // 04:53

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Originally Posted by Tyla

"Money always meant nothing based on skill. QUOTE]

well, before all the buttonspam[ursan] and godmode[sf/(and after they got spread over the big audience invincimonks and terra's in certain areas] builds not just anyone could make 100ectos in the 2 years before those existed. Now you can have fow armor in a week. I dont know how long you have been playing the game, but in the first year or 2 someone with fow armor was rare, and people looked up to those players, Now every mayor city(toa/kamadan etc) are stamped with fow armored characters, there are more monk with fow armor then with any other type of armor

I don't know many who looked up to anyone with it. Certainly not many, if any, more than casual players, usually the first time ones. The ones easily impressed by the expense rather than the looks.

fear the ear · Nov 24, 2008, 05:53 AM // 05:53

SF is a broken skill that either needs to be removed (ofc that won't happen) or get a complete re-vamp.

Honestly skills like this makes me a sad panda...

Eve Flamestone · Nov 24, 2008, 07:50 AM // 07:50

T-T
Cant we all just get along?
SF Abuser; HELZ NAH!!!! WEH NEEDZ MOAR DAMAGE ON SF!
SF QQ; NERF SF NOA WHILE THE ECONOMY IS STILL INTACT!
SF Abuser; QQ MOR U NUB!
(Q_Q)

Seriously, can't we all just get along. There are MANY other ways to make money then SF, Ursan, and Pve Skills Spam.
Yes, PvE is fun
No, SF is Ruining the economy,
Yes, SF is ruining player standards
No, We shouldn't all conform to a single skill cause it gets the job done.
maybe, we should all go outside and relieve some of the hot air we've built up
Yes, we should go do that now.
Well, not for me its raining right now.
Yes, we can live without Shadow Form.
Yes, many people would cry and threaten to quit Guild wars if they did.
Yes, that would help us out soooo much
No, i don't Raptor farm
No, i don't Perma Shadow
No, i don't 'QQ' against SF
No, i don't 'QQ' for SF
Yes, i still maintain the exact amount of gold i need.
No, i cant buy everything i want

The Reason for my post is because i'm SICK and TIRED of reading ya'lls BULLSHIT!
<3
Eve

Luminarus · Nov 24, 2008, 08:58 AM // 08:58

The economy is gone, nothing can fix it.

The hang over effect from ursan, initial buffed SF, MOX, the duping of armbraces, HM and the Z-Chest have killed the economy. Even if they nerfed everything that was efficient at making money the economy would still be in the shitter.

Stop QQing about SF... its not really that imba anymore. It require 3/8 of ur bar, and like 70% of a casters energy gain to maintain it now, 1/4 of ur bar if you have cons. It doesnt really need a nerf. Also, as it is, 1 lagspike and ur run is over. Maybe make it slightly harder to use.

However, please dont believe that nerfing it into oblivion will return the economy to being decent. Economy is gone, nothing can fix it.

realtalk916 · Nov 24, 2008, 10:01 AM // 10:01

um perma sf is pretty overrated, just started doin it, so i guess thta throws me on the boat of perma ruiners

raptor farming is easy but hey, free shit

Avarre · Nov 24, 2008, 10:15 AM // 10:15

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Originally Posted by Luminarus

Stop QQing about SF... its not really that imba anymore.

Invulnerability isn't imbalanced? Are you high?

gremlin · Nov 24, 2008, 10:19 AM // 10:19

So someone can use the build to farm anything and make large amounts of money.
Does it really matter and is it really fair to everyone else that it gets blocked so the rest of us cannot do it.

Its really to late to do anything, at 80k an hour "maybe" these farmers are already the richie riches of gw.
The cash and items will not be removed from them nor should it be it was done within game rules.

If as you say this is the amount that can be achieved in this way then just forget it and wait for GW2 because its unfixable.
Given the number of shadow farmers and possibly bots collecting gold and items at this or even a 10th of that per hour have brought so much gold into the system it will never recover.